Subject: subie sux Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:12:52 +0000 (GMT) The car itself is fine; it's some of the *people* surrounding the brand that are turning out to be evil. The recently-acquired car has a radiator leak, easily reproduced by topping up the radiator and overflow tank properly, and warming up from cold. Or using a pressure-tester tool -- a simple hand pump that connects over the radiator cap fitting and pushes air into the radiator. Either way, green cat-killer goo starts dribbling out of the bottom of the radiator, and does so until the pressure goes down enough to stabilize. As the system cools down, one of two things happens: the system depressurizes and then winds up at a slight vacuum, evidenced by the sides of the upper hose collapsing inward, after which it doesn't leak anymore because the warm-up pressure rise doesn't get over the leak threshold [old condition] the system depressurizes and draws coolant out of the reserve tank back into the radiator, returning to the normal state of 0 psi above atmospheric, whereupon it will piss more fluid on the next warm-up [new condition] This condition change is because the one-way coolant return valve in the radiator cap was stuck closed, and not letting the system re-equalize downward. So I took it back to the dealership at Wakefield Subaru, hoping to get this fixed under 90-day "lemon law" warranty, because while the leak doesn't lose all the fluid and overheat the engine right *now*, it will eventually and I really don't want to be scattering ethylene glycol all over the environment anyways. I wrote up a small paragraph about my observations and test procedure and printed it out nicely for them, which should have made it obvious that there's a pressure-related problem, etc etc. Handed it off yesterday and bicycled home in the rain. They called around mid-day today, claiming that they pressure- tested the cooling system and can't find any leaks at all. Now I was wondering which of us was on crack. I bloody well know I didn't *dream* about driving as far as the town hall to drop off some mail, and then crouching down watching the green puddle expand underneath. I told them to re-read my instructions and repeat the test. They said they'd have the actual mechanic doing the car call me back, and that's the last I heard. Late in the day I called them, and talked to Larry. I don't know his last name, but he's definitely a stooge. Larry is a fat, overbearing, won't-shut-up arrogant know-it-all who evidently views anyone demonstrating even a little knowledge/curiosity about the inner workings of cars as a threat. He's the same guy who told me that Subaru service manuals were all "proprietary" and not available to the general public, after which a short call to Publications at 866-428-2278 and handing them a card number proved Larry a liar since I now own about half of said manual set, i.e. the sections that currently interest me such as electrics and OBDII. [It's actually a third-party company called Service Technical Publications.] Anyway, Larry assured me that they had pressure-tested the radiator up to 14psi above atmospheric, and no leaks. I told him again what I had observed and that I had *not* spilled antifreeze down the side of the filler and it didn't begin leaking until a mile or two of driving anyways, but he wasn't listening. I determined that at least I could pick up the car, and took advantage of the really beautiful afternoon for a slightly more roundabout, scenic bike ride that ended up in their driveway. Found the car, loaded the bike into the back, and went to chat with the Big Boss, the owner of the whole place. Asked him about some fine points in the warranty-paperwork wording that really didn't mention $100 deductibles, and then touched on my conversations with Larry and mentioned that I really felt like I was getting a runaround. Scott the meta-boss expressed great concern at this, and led me back toward Service where it turned out that Larry was gone but he asked the guy there to bring my car around and stick it up on the lift for another look. Big show of "instilling customer confidence", or something. By now I just wanted to get the hell out of there, really, but I would let them play their game for a while. Before the service-guy-on-duty started the car to do this, I showed him the "top hose inflation" trick by removing the radiator cap and letting him watch it self-inflate for himself. The earliest glimmers of Dawn began to break over Marblehead. Enter Joe. Joe is their Clue Boy, their best mechanic, and has that sort of casual-but-competent swing in his actions, like he's done these things a thousand times before. Joe hoisted the lift into the air and I showed him and Scott the line of ex-drip patterns right along under the radiator bracket, and pointed out that no, I couldn't see exactly where it was leaking from since it was up in the fins someplace and hidden by the fans. There were even a few wet drips here and there on other parts. We lowered it back down and then Joe performed his first brilliant 30 seconds -- he took off the cap and went into the nearby bathroom, where he banged the cap repeatedly against the side of the sink and washed it out a lot. This was to un-stick the return valve and generally remove a lot of the built-up "rust inhibitor" goo that Subaru tends to overload their special name-brand coolant with. Then he came back and laid the cap aside, and as Act II he simply pressure-tested the system with the little pump tool. It immediately began pissing a tall cow onto the garage floor, and suddenly everyone was finally convinced. Joe said very matter-of-factly "well, you need a radiator," and wandered off toward Parts to put in an order for it. A short but brilliant performance, that knocked three other peoples' worth of Management Function on its ass and proved them all totally worthless. Yay Joe! Joe then came back with a gallon jug of coolant and an almost-empty jug of windshield fluid, the latter of which he emptied into my washer tank. He then split the coolant into both jugs and topped both up with water, giving me 2 gallons of pre-mix coolant to hold me over until the new radiator can be installed next week. "Better that than you blowing up your engine, right?" he said. He tried to find a box I could put these containers in to stabilize them for transport, but the Parts guy didn't have any around. But in general, Joe emitted a constant stream of Doing The Right Thing, and was much more candid with me about various Subaru nits than anyone had previously. *Joe* at least appreciates when someone wants to know more about his own car -- even asked me if I was intending to do all my own work on it. Basics yes, I answered, but I certainly wasn't anything like as tooled up as they are to deal with the bigger stuff. Watching him bang the cap on the sink as the Official Way To Fix That Problem, thus transitioning from Old Condition above to New Condition, totally made my day. He suggests making at least a yearly ritual of this, since it's a common problem. I finally got out of there about an hour after arriving, and we did *not* wrap up any paperwork yet, and Larry is hopefully in a heap of trouble for lying to me on what are now several occasions. I hope this will take care of it and that I won't have to bring the Subaru of America Guidos down on them, because that ain't gonna be pretty once they find out that a dealership is out there actively trashing community goodwill and all. While I was waiting around for a bit before all this I was leafing through the "transmission" section of their manual set, which isn't one of the ones I bought. The other paper-pusher in Service said that I was the *only* person who has ever come through there that wanted to look at that stuff. This really surprises me, since there seems to be a certain community of Subaru enthusiasts and modifiers floating around the net. Maybe they just drive the things until the "check engine" light goes on, dunno. Side note for Mass. used car purchasers: the "lemon law" wording on my paperwork is really vague, and implies that the dealer will cover 100% parts and labor for items fixed thereunder, except that there's this variable deductible clause [which isn't even *filled out* on my stuff] up to $100, and I'm still trying to find out if that's per component, per subsystem, per vehicle, per visit, or what. It leaves open a lot of slop for dealers to still chisel you for a hundred bucks here, a hundred bucks there, and just weasel-word their way out of it saying "we don't write this -- the state does!" The nature of the problem has led to a couple of interesting discussions. The current hypothesis is that some piece of radiator tubing has a hairline crack in it, so small and edge-matched that it seals tight unless there's a lot of pressure behind it to expand it outwards. There's no other real explanation for the system going back into vacuum and remaining that way for such a long time -- almost like some other hidden one-way valve was at play, but the fact that the leak stopped entirely after a while makes it more interesting. Maybe the truth will emerge once the old radiator is taken out next week. _H*