Despite ultimately being a no, this was one of the most reasonable and
reasoned email exchanges I've ever had with a business. It's
fairly self-explanatory.
__________________________________ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 15:43:52 -0500 To: chad.ellis@bodaborg.com Subject: that rules question... Hi -- your site manager said it was okay to send email; hopefully this doesn't land in your spam-box. This is a little long but contains many facts related to my footwear question. Part of the online rules document reads ... or similar open-toe shoes, or bare feet, are not nearly as safe while Questing. For some of us, the exact opposite is true -- we are far *more* safe and surefooted without any type of footwear than with. I and a couple of friends who are considering a visit are experienced long- time "barefooters" -- we go through the vast majority of our lives without the encumbrance of shoes. That includes all of our hiking, climbing, dancing, physical work, and other activities. With some people who are otherwise able-bodied, they have a *medical necessity* to remain barefoot as much as possible, as shoes [even the new "minimalist" types] will quickly bring on showstopping discomfort due to joint pain, plantar issues, or whatever. Unfortunately here in the USA a lot of social prejudice against bare feet has developed, stemming from that old discrimination against hippies and others back in the sixties. There has never been any factual basis for it -- not concerning health, safety, liability, insurance, food, or any of it. That is starting to slowly turn around nowadays here -- there is a lot of growing awareness of the health benefits of avoiding shoes, easily findable by some online searches for "barefoot" in combination with "health", "hiking", "running", "training", etc. You might be aware of the book "Born to Run" and the barefoot running trend that started a few years ago. Part of our particular group enjoys going hiking the woods and climbing mountains without shoes -- here's a pictorial of one of our adventures last year, up Monadnock: http://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/pix/mon1705/ There is likely nothing about a Quest that our feet couldn't handle. You have people going through passages on their hands, knees, elbows -- all of which are more vulnerable than feet, and yet nothing is said about gloves or knee pads. The online waiver in fact states that participants are not given or *required to wear* protective gear, and assume 100% of injury risk. Why, then, would anyone worry about shoes? That is at odds with the document people are expected to sign. We're fine with how we travel and live, in the woods, in urban environments, on construction sites, and wherever else. Trying to clump my own way through a Quest with bricks on my feet would hinder my mobility and balance and really detract from the experience. If you haven't fielded this question before, you are likely to see it more often as time goes on due to generally increasing awareness. The Laguna Hills office has already stated that there's nothing about footwear under general Boda Borg corporate policy, especially given what the waivers cover. Note that the pervasive "foot fear" is fairly unique to the US -- in fact the Boda Borg website areas for Sweden and Ireland mention nothing about this, and I even found a couple of online videos showing people happily Questing in the Swedish locations without shoes. It is far less of a "concern" across the pond, and has always been an entirely fabricated and false "concern" here as an excuse to discriminate. Ideally, the verbiage about footwear or at least specifically about bare feet would simply be removed, applicable to all future USA locations as well, leaving such things to a patron's own judgement. Facility managers and staff could then be informed that unshod participants should be welcomed like all others, to head off any uninformed confrontations. If someone enters the premises barefoot to begin with, you can assume they know what they're doing! For our local group and circle of friends, there are a couple of us who would simply be *unable* to participate if a "shoe rule" were insisted upon and they would be rather upset by that. There's no point in such rules anymore, especially when customers formally assume all liability in writing and go in expecting to get a little banged up as part of the fun. Their feet are the least likely part to be affected, even less so if they're well-conditioned by being put through far more rigorous treatment elsewhere. Hopefully I've succeeded in providing you some reassurance! I could also even stop by the location and chat more, although this week is a little busy for me. I'd also love to get some insight on the thought process behind *designing* a Quest and keeping it within the capabilities of such a varied client base. Thanks! _H* __________________________________ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 19:40:54 -0400 From: Chad Ellis <chad.ellis@bodaborg.com> Subject: Re: that rules question... Thanks for writing and explaining your interest. David had mentioned your calls with him earlier today and that you would probably be contacting us, and since I had a bit of quiet time I was able to browse some of your writing about the barefoot lifestyle. I know a handful of barefooters from my many geek worlds (not sure, but it seems to be more common in gaming, tech, etc.), but your page is the first time I've had a chance to see the case for barefooting in detail. I understand that your request for a change in policy is thought out and reflects something that's important to you and to others, and that our policy would -- if maintained and enforced -- either prevent some of your group from coming or would make your visit less enjoyable. That's something I take seriously. I also take at face value your assessment that with your barefoot experience and with your feet being conditioned, you may generally be as safe or safer with bare feet than with shoes. That said, I don't agree with your conclusion that there is no need for our policy or that we can safely assume that anyone who comes in barefoot or wishes to Quest barefoot knows what they're doing. Quite the contrary; we have seen firsthand that many people who want to Quest barefoot do not have anything like your experience level and do not have conditioned feet. When we consider this and the unfamiliar situations that Questing entails, I think the risk of injury is higher for most Guests if they are barefoot. I recognize that I may be wrong, but my honest belief is that for people who lack your expertise and conditioning, Questing barefoot would be less safe. A basic reality of our business is that we have to have simple policies that apply to everyone. We have age requirements based on a lot of experience, but of course we know that they are somewhat arbitrary and that different people mature at different rates. One child might be totally ready to Quest at age six or even five or younger, but trying to evaluate each child on a case-by-case basis is impossible. In the case of bare feet, even if we concluded that it was safe for people with appropriate experience and conditioning to Quest barefoot, it would not be practical on an operational basis. We can have over 200 people Questing at a given time; if we have one group Questing barefoot we know from experience that others may take their shoes off -- and we can't run our business if we're having to explain team-by-team why they have to wear shoes when someone else doesn't. I recognize that you may not find this persuasive. I hope you understand that our policy is based on an honest assessment of risks, combined with the practical needs of operating a business that serves thousands of people every week. You would be welcome barefoot in our social area and to eat barefoot at our taco bar (or whatever other food options we were offering). Unfortunately, however, if you choose to *Quest *you would have to do so in Quest-appropriate footwear. Best regards, Chad __________________________________ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 08:07:56 -0500 From: *Hobbit* Thank you for being as lucid as I was, if not more so, in your reply. That's quite rare to find in email these days, as our overall social literacy continues to circle the drain, but I always appreciate it. Your reply came as an honestly measured answer, rather than the thundering ivory-tower edicts I usually get. If you've been around the geek/tech world, or at least parts of it, you might have even heard of me in passing at some point. I was in the "internet insecurity" game for quite a few years, and also work various theatre/convention production gigs here and there. Sans shoes, of course, and that's had its little battles here and there. Barefooting may be more common in those worlds because its people enjoy being themselves, and like to dig around and find the facts to answer their questions instead of just heed mob rule. I'm trying to fully understand your position -- it's an interesting perspective, and I don't envy your job of having to balance one's individual skills and merits versus wanting a simpler and less granular management task. At one end of the "uniformity" spectrum, I suppose, is Disney, where they pick nits with peoples' overall attire and would probably be happiest if all their guests showed up in official school uniforms. That place gave me the creeps, with its utter failure to acknowledge anyone's individuality. At the other end, I suppose, could be our local parks, where the trails are an impartial judge of one's skill, and nobody's about to sue the DCR or the Trustees over a booboo they sustained on an outing. Out there, I'm a hero, a superman, that crazy barefoot guy who zipped bravely ahead over the sharp rocks and broken glass. There are even places in the Fells where people hang out naked, I discovered. But I will certainly grant you that a lot of people have weak feet, unsuited for suddenly jumping into active adventures, and for the obvious reason that they keep them imprisoned in shoes all the time! You've already seen how I'm trying to do my part and encourage the equivalent of quitting smoking in that regard, but the barefooter community is still very small and doesn't have the resources to get that message on prime-time TV or the like. Maybe someday, looking ahead to a golden time when more of your clients would consider Questing shod as an unwelcome hindrance. I'm glad I was able to give you some perspective as well and I hope you found it entertaining. I've been writing a lot about this in the past year-and-some, partly because I've been enjoying really pushing my limits recently. Did a lot of "coldfooting" this winter, and it was pretty awesome. The policy as it stands, however, is contrary to what the waiver says -- "Participants ... are not required to wear or provided protective gear, in general ... [they] agree to engage in Questing activities without protective gear voluntarily and at their own individual and group risk." That would really seem to leave you free to not worry about anyone's feet along with other parts. What has historically happened to people who inadvisedly jumped in barefoot? What could they have done differently while still unshod to avoid whatever problem they encountered? I'm really curious about what *real-life* risks are present that aren't also present for head, hands, etc, anyone's experience level aside. [Perhaps you could show me one of your most significant foot-hazard areas someday.] With any requirements imposed in conflict with such waivers, it's almost surprising that attractions don't require latex gloves and face masks in the height of New England flu season, isn't it... Now I'm going to fish for a couple of ideas. As a society we are so stuck in that "shoddiness" mindset that barely credible risks loom large in everyone's minds, and only a "universal" restrictive policy will adequately reduce worry and starve the lawyers. I think this is short-sighted on all of our accounts, and I suspect that in general principle you'd agree with that. Are your clients given some basic intro and instruction before they're sent off to Quest? Are they advised as to what might be more or less suitable for them as individuals at all? That's maybe the opportunity to do your quick visual evaluation and warn them about specific concerns. Perhaps you could have an area for a "barefoot ability test", a box with a pathway of angular stone like we find in the Blue Hills and such, and if they can confidently barrel across that without obvious hurt then they can wear a distinctive leg-band or something that says they've proven themselves to not need shoes for the rest of their visit. Like climbing gyms, which make sure you can belay properly before confirming your membership and letting you at the walls. Or maybe you could set up and publicise "barefoot night", where everyone gets specifically told of the potential risks but then are allowed to make their own footwear decision. Maybe with extra training in "barefoot techniques" like we do on some of the hikes? Could that be parlayed into an interesting PR angle too? Like I said, groping for crazy ideas toward better accomodation. But you know the dynamics, perhaps you and the facility design teams could come up with something reasonable that could set everyone's mind at ease. Why don't they worry about this at all in Europe, where Boda Borg is probably cranking ten times the amount of business through its locations? It's not like humans are that different there, other than maybe being in better average physical shape than here. Perhaps you can consult with your Swedish counterparts and get *their* take on all this. Anyway, thanks for the thoughts, and please let me know if the general outlook changes and/or if you'd like to chat about any other stuff. I've been finding videos on topics like "DIY escape rooms" and the hardware utilized, and that's rather fun. _H* __________________________________ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 09:54:12 -0400 From: Chad Ellis <chad.ellis@bodaborg.com> Thanks for the thoughtful reply -- and I'm glad my own was taken as intended. It's not always easy to communicate via email or text, where social information has to be conveyed by words rather than expression or tone of voice. I take your point about our waiver not requiring protective gear. I interpret we the language differently, although I think your interpretation is also reasonable. As you point out, footwear is considered the norm in most contexts; I think when most people see "protective gear" they think in terms of knee and elbow pads, helmets, cups, mouthguards, etc., that are not generally worn and are put on exclusively to reduce the risk of injury. Liability is only part of the concern, however -- if we think something increases risk then that's a serious issue for us, even if we think our waiver covers us completely. Your solutions are interesting, although I don't know how practical they are -- especially at this point. As you can imagine, with 150,000+ guests a year, we get a lot of special requests, and our business only works if we keep things operationally simple. Setting up a barefoot testing zone with sharp rocks, for example, is clever but would require space, staff time, etc., and would then still assume that other Guests would know what the leg band referred to. Sweden is different in a few ways. (As a side note, we see far more people than any of the Swedish locations, because they tend to be built in remote areas while we are close to a major city.) Some of it is legal and cultural, but a lot of it is history. Once you've allowed something it can be much harder to stop than it is not to allow it at all, and there are some things that we don't allow that our Swedish compatriots do -- but wish they didn't have to. Two examples are our age requirement and shoes. I think their feelings are stronger about age -- they would love to stop allowing kids under seven, and urged us not to -- but even with the Swedish outdoor and "do what you like" culture, they believe that their barefoot guests have a higher injury rate. We formed our policies after a lot of consultation with Swedish operators, and most areas where we differ it's either because of something specific to being in the US (e.g. they don't even have waivers there) or it's because they said, "We don't do this but wish we did." Best, Chad